When Senator Steve Kaiser proposed legislation to dramatically change zoning laws in 2022, it created huge shockwaves across Arizona towns and cities.  A second attempt in 2023, created a similar reaction before the proposed legislation eventually lost steam at the state capital.  The motive were noble though, and driven by a cause to provide better access to housing and remove barriers that impede new development.  We were delighted to record this conversation with Senator Kaiser during the middle of that fiery debate among policymakers on a highly critical issue in Arizona.