How can science fiction help us radically improve the world we’re living in now? Author and activist adrienne maree brown discusses with Julie and Eve how the principles of science fiction--and particularly the work of Octavia E. Butler--can help shape movements for social change. adrienne is co-editor of the anthology Octavia’s Brood: Science Fiction Stories from Social Justice Movements and co-host of “Octavia’s Parables,” which was recently named a Best New Podcasts of 2020 by The New York Times. She is also the author of Pleasure Activism: The Politics of Feeling Good, a New York Times bestseller; Emergent Strategy: Shaping Change, Changing Worlds; and We Will Not Cancel Us: And Other Dreams of Transformative Justice.

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