Returning guest Gaby Del Valle of The Verge is one of our go-to sources to talk about the crossover between the tech dystopia and America’s increasingly nightmarish deportation machine. We talked about the Kilmar Abrego Garcia case, some other examples of innocent people currently being targeted and the dubious legal framework being used to make it happen, the ICE snitching app that is actually promoting a meme coin (??) and, of course, Katy Perry in space.

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