Leonce Gaiter is the guest on this installment of the podcast known as The Chauncey DeVega Show. Leonce is the author of I Dreamt I Was in Heaven: The Rampage of the Rufus Buck Gang. He is a straight shooter and a real talker. This is a great and honest conversation where Chauncey and Leonce have a real salon. There is no agenda or prepared set of questions in the conversation between Leonce and Chauncey: this is spontaneous, honest, and direct truth-telling without a filter. We call this "grown folks talk". The Chauncey DeVega Show has had some generous guests, and amazing moments of learning. This episode is one for the books. In this episode, Leonce and Chauncey discuss notions of black male honor, revenge, and self-respect. What does it mean to be black, male, and brave? Why is American society afraid of black folks who claim their honor and self-respect? How do movies that are revenge fantasies like Tarantino's Django, and commercial hip-hop, fit into America's collective imagination, anxiety, and fear about black manhood, respectability, and honor? How do people of color navigate elite white spaces such as Harvard University, and what does that teach us about the color line? Why does black male self-respect and honor scare so many white folks? Leonce also shares some great insights about writing, race, and the Old West. Chauncey does some sharing in this episode about Memorial Day, Confederate white trash, thug cops, the Waco outlaw motorcycle riot and shooting, Barack Obama, and his recipe for frying pork chops.