In an unrelated but totally related conversation with Carissa, she asked a question that tied in perfectly with last week's conversation with Heidi. So I told her to stop talking so we could record the conversation.

Having "But If Not" faith may be a next step for some of us. What does that look like, and what does it mean?

This is our attempt to address those questions...and more!

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