Whitlock picks the brain of — and picks some fights with — NBA Hall of Famer Isiah Thomas in a fascinating conversation about race in America. Thomas draws on his master's in education from UC Berkeley to talk about America’s “color-caste” system. Why does Jason compare Thomas to Arthur Ashe and Muhammad Ali? How do the two butt heads on the concept of a “VIP room” of American society that prohibits black people? Plus, the legendary Detroit Piston opens up about his feud with Michael Jordan and the time a Karl Malone foul gave him over 40 stitches.

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