Gary Brown is the guest on this week's edition of The Chauncey DeVega Show. Gary is a TV writer, producer, and director who worked on such landmark shows as Benson and 227. Mr. Brown is also a former writer with World Wrestling Entertainment. Chauncey and Gary connected because of the latter's great piece in the L.A. Progressive that detailed how Donald Trump is actually a professional wrestling heel. Given Chauncey's series of essays on politics and professional wrestling, and how Donald Trump is running a reality TV show professional wrestling hustle on the American people, a conversation with Gary was natural and essential. In fun conversation, Gary shares the details about his eclectic career in television, gives advice about pitching shows for TV, talks about Robert Guillaume and the show Benson, and tells some stories about working in professional wrestling and how it helped him to understand Donald Trump. Gary and Chauncey also talk about day-to-day life on a sitcom set, the puzzle that is charisma and talent, the rise of reality TV as a genre, and the future and legacy of Bill Cosby. On this episode of The Chauncey DeVega Show, Chauncey also tells a story about poverty, race, parenting, child abuse, and his local McDonald's "restaurant", muses on the nature of truth vs. opinion, and sings a Madonna song inspired by the Pope's visit to the United States and Chauncey's experience growing up in a black Catholic church before he renounced religion.