William and Sarah discuss PRIDE from many angles, contrasting it with ego and with humility, and talking about its connection to regret, shame, and a willingness to admit when you're wrong. They discuss negative emotions as guardrails and more.

NOTE: this episode was recorded outdoors at a cafe in Washington, D.C., during their recent trip there, so there's more background noise than sometimes. Also, Will's mic was accidentally turned off, but we think you'll still be able to hear him fine, and we'll fix some of these technical issues for next time!