When we hear the phrase 'homeland security,' we usually think of the United States. But long before 9/11, Israel was already building a model —one based on occupation, surveillance, and control.

After the 2008 Mumbai attacks, India promised it would never be caught off guard again. But instead of rebuilding from within, it became one of Israel's biggest customers. Not just for weapons, but for surveillance technology, police training, and an entire mindset shaped by Israel's experience of occupation.

In today's episode, we sit with Rhys Machold, author of Fabricating Homeland Security, and unpack how homeland security became a global brand, how fear became a marketplace, and how Israel became India's go-to model for policing, surveillance, and counterterrorism.

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