How much suffering and pain — physical or otherwise — is necessary in this lifetime? What role does our will, our longing, to transform play in how we move through that pain? Is moving through pain a grace, or do you need to bust your ass to get it?

Great questions.

Tobin Giblin, a brilliant and talented body-based therapist, and I go deep into these questions and more. Hope you enjoy.

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Tobin's website, including access to his free e-book, Emotional Alchemy.

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