Barry and Isaac are joined by Kim Jones, director of engagement at My Refuge House and wife of Barry. It is a fun conversation about 29 years of marriage between Kim and Barry. What does marriage look like before and after kids? What was your hardest season of marriage and how did you make it through? How do you "keep the spark alive" in your marriage?

The crew wraps up the episode with some banter around the Jones duo and we learn about something Barry is sneaky good at, but barely does.

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