June 29, 2025

EP:1 - "Everyone starts as a 3-Year old." How ordinary people become capable of atrocities.

1 hour 7 minutes

The premiere episode of "Provoked" features Scott Horton and Darryl Cooper exploring the psychology of conflict and how ordinary people become participants in cycles of violence. Cooper, host of Martyr Made and former Department of Defense engineer, draws from his extensive experience working in Israel and deep historical research to unpack the complexities of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

Cooper shares the remarkable journey behind his acclaimed "Fear and Loathing in the New Jerusalem" series, where he read hundreds of books and thousands of documents to understand a conflict most Americans only superficially comprehend. His commitment to humanizing both sides has resonated powerfully with listeners—including an IDF soldier who changed how he interacted with Palestinians after listening.

What makes this conversation exceptional is Cooper's perspective on human psychology in conflict zones. Drawing from his observations during numerous visits to Israel between 2009-2019, he describes witnessing the growing siege mentality among Israelis and the transformation of their response protocols under Netanyahu's leadership. The discussion examines how prolonged conflict warps moral frameworks, allowing even humanitarian-minded people to advocate for increasingly extreme measures against perceived enemies.

The conversation extends to the recent Iran-Israel conflict, with Cooper providing unique insights into what appears to have been a regime change operation that lacked a viable backup plan. His analysis suggests both sides learned valuable lessons about each other's capabilities which might actually reduce future conflict escalation—a rare sliver of hope in an otherwise concerning regional dynamic.

Join Scott and Darryl each week as they tackle complex global conflicts with nuance, historical context, and psychological insight you won't find in mainstream coverage. Subscribe now and discover why understanding the humanity behind conflicts might be our best hope for ultimately resolving them.

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