Leslie Shaw was a journalist for 18 years. She is semi-retired and still works for the newspaper doing copy editing and page layout. She is a trained artist with a bachelor’s degree in experimental animation and ancient art history.

Stephen is a retired acupuncturist, tai chi instructor and orchestral musician.

They both have a lifelong love affair with the UFO subject.

They are both UFO witnesses and Stephen and his very psychic family have been victims of the alien abduction phenomenon for at least 3 generations.

They have spent 20 years researching their UFO book Who They Are: And What They’re Up To.

What a fantastic conversation. Really enjoyed this as and wish them nothing but the best!!!

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