We’re back and beyond excited to share this fascinating conversation between Jasmin, CEO of Innocean Australia and Founder of Fck the Cupcakes, and Kevin from TheSumOf — friend of the podcast and branding expert.

Listen in as they talk the culture of conferences, commercialising creativity and the silent war between design and advertising departments. Ultimately, the episode is about breaking down barriers, having more valuable exchanges and creating a willingness to learn.

And of course, a big thank you to Matt for setting us up with our guests from The Design Conference 2023.