Listen in as Carmen Angelillo, co-founder and creative director at Niceshit studio, chats with type designer and animator Mat Voyce.

Join them as they discuss their work, how they sustain or regain motivation in both personal and client projects as well as the ways they manage frustration, and the red and green flags they look for in a project.

Thank you Carmen and Mat for joining us to record in the midst of the creative, and inspiring whirlwind that is The Design Conference 💙

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