In this episode, we spoke with Nick Hallam, Director and Product Designer at Joan.

Nick is one-third of digital product design company, Joan. They work with clients to help bring to life ideas that create value for their customers. They also build our own products. Most of their work is in product strategy, prototyping & user testing, and interface design. Nick also created international design competition Positive Posters and Design Conference Sex, Drugs and Helvetica.

We covered plenty of ground in this one with a general focus on people coming before technology. We also talked about loving tech for what it can do rather than what it is, how amazing the internet is, grid systems in graphic design a must read design book, business vs design and creating value before you ask for value.