Steve welcomes Finland's Windows95Man and vocalist Henri Piispanen to the podcast.

The pair stormed to victory in the Finnish national final, UMK, with their 90s-inspired club hit No Rules. They chat about the epic performance which featured a denim egg, pyrotechnics... and a special pair of denim shorts. They also discuss the impact of Käärijä's success in Finland, and the advice he's given them.

The Official Eurovision Song Contest podcast is produced and presented for the EBU by Steve Holden. The theme music is composed by Machine Sound. Visual design by Chris Fox and Ángela Espejo.

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