Welcome to episode 79 of Activist #MMT. Today is part two of my two-part conversation with first-year MMT activist Katrina Pilver. It's about how she discovered the importance of economics and then MMT, and her unusually-intensive and -ambitious journey to learn MMT more deeply. After the end of our interview you will hear a brief follow up where, given that she’s only been at this for around five months, a pretty sophisticated summary of the MMT-designed job guarantee and why she believes it’s important for newbies to understand.

A full introduction, including links to lots of resources, can be found before part one, but for now, let’s get right back to our conversation.