To observe water in all its manifold forms is to study Tao at its most essential. Listening to water sharpens our ears for hearing Tao.

Today's episode departs from the usual teaching, and instead features an "interview" with water. 

This podcast is an original labor of love, designed, written, and co-produced by many, whose central idea is that Tao te Ching is good news for today. Tao still speaks. Thanks to Tom Burnet for his voice and question. Audrey Davis is our artist. My brother Ben Mullinax supplied the background water sounds in today’s episode. Fortress Press holds the copyright for quotations from my Tao Te Ching translation.

May your days begin in peace, and become wombs for radical hope.