Host Brian Van Bower joins guest Andy Kaner, they emphasize the importance of meticulous planning and attention to detail in pool building. They discuss the value of both hand drawings and digital drawings in the design process, highlighting how hand drawings allow for quick adjustments and idea generation, while digital drawings facilitate communication with architects and engineers. They introduce D180, a course focusing on drawing principles and communication techniques, suitable for those without prior drawing education. The conversation delves into what should be included in a pool plan, such as title pages, site plans, layout details, and equipment lists. They stress the significance of thorough review processes before finalizing plans. Additionally, they emphasize the importance of early involvement with designers to ensure proper equipment estimation and space planning, ultimately aiming for optimal project performance.