In this episode, Gary Numan joins Sodajerker in Liverpool for a conversation about the writing of his latest album Savage: Songs from a Broken World including 'My Name is Ruin' and 'Ghost Nation'. Gary also explains his precise approach to lyric writing, why he couldn't care less about analogue versus digital, and the stories behind classics like 'Listen to the Sirens', 'Are 'Friends' Electric?' and 'Cars'.