This conversation is apparently what you get when both Allison and Ciel have had little sleep, a bit too much caffeine, and a healthy dose of social chaos.

We explore a wide range of topics here, including:

- Why we swing from rope to rope of what is familiar for us, and why it's important to let go (and why that is so hard!)

- Why surrender is so important, and what we need to focus on instead of aiming for control all the time.

- Starting the conversation of what 'decolonization' in the mind might look like.

- The challenges with thinking in polarities, and what it might set up in our lives (that we actually really don't want..)

We love ya'll. Thanks for listening.