On this episode, we speak to Jim McCormick, CEO of the Robertson Trust, which provides funding and support to those tackling poverty and trauma in Scotland. We also talk to Dr Ewan Gibbs, an economic historian at the University of Glasgow, who unpacks some of the recent debates around oil and gas, renewables and Scotland's economy. Finally, Jamie Livingston from Oxfam Scotland provides analysis on the forthcoming COP26. Timecodes 00:52 Introduction to Jim and the purpose of the Robertson Trust 03:24 Progress around 'preventative spend' agenda? 06:26 What have learnt from the pandemic? 09:23 Growing case for the 'wellbeing' economy 12:55 Why is it different from a tax credit system? 14:15 Lines in this debate between individual vs. structural support? 19:50 Selling of politics to the populace 22:43 Introduction by Graeme to the evolution of the modern economy and energy issues 23:38 Introduction to Ewan and overview of Scotland's economy in relation to the energy sector 32:10 Current debate re: shift in energy use 36:36 Nature of the industry and job creation 40:38 Levers to investment 45:51 Jamie Livingstone, Oxfam Scotland, on COP26