Matthew speaks to one of his favourite authors, Stuart Turton. Hear about his exhausting creative process (seriously, you won't believe it), and what it takes to write a novel – including his latest, The Last Murder at the End of the World. Then, in part two, hear more about Stu's love of video games, which runs incredibly deep.

Samuel is away for this one. Matthew gets the name of the podcast slightly wrong at the start, but don't hold it against him.

This week's music is from the Return of the Obra Dinn soundtrack by Lucas Pope.

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