Philip welcomes back Joy James to The Deep Dive to discuss her latest book New Bones Abolition: Captive Maternal and the (after)life of Erica Garner. In their conversation, they discuss the power and scope of the abolition movement, the dismissal of Harvard President Claudine Gay and more.

The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.

Philip’s Drop: Scalawag  https://scalawagmagazine.org/

Joy’s Drop:

Special Guest: Dr. Joy James.