This episode features Rob and Seth backstage at Lockn' chatting with Chris Kuroda, one of the leading Lighting Designers in the music industry most well-known for his long-time work (nearly 30 years) brilliantly scheming and executing the visual presentation of the band Phish. They discuss how adding video elements to the band's already-elite light show presented many challenges and much inspiration to Kuroda. He talks about how he worked with other industry veterans, particularly Abigail Holmes (Roger Waters, The Cure, Talking Heads) to find the best ways to ease the video elements into the presentation to find the appropriate "vibe" design-wise and how his approach to execution is currently evolving greatly. Kuroda also explains why white is "his 11," and discusses how his relationship with Madison Square Garden has spilled over into the sports world, and how this may positively impact future Phish MSG performances.

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