When traversing a 3D world in games, it's as important to enjoy your character's movement as it is to just enjoy your character.

Matt & Geoff are joined by Chris Wade, director of the recently released froggy platformer, Big Hops, to discuss when to heed or ignore your influences, creating meaningful interactions, and finding the joy in going on a journey.

You can find Chris on Bluesky and YouTube. You can check out Big Hops on Steam, Switch, and PS5

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Episode Art by Case Aiken

Episode Music by Geoff Moonen