In this episode, Toby sits down with Sam Ciaramitaro from Drain and Gulch! They chat about shows, being from Cali, skating and surfing, going from drumming to singing for Drain, getting signed, getting sober, influences, their new record on Epitaph, playing to different crowds, Drain's reenactment of a famous photo and the Rebellion tour with H2O/Madball/Hazen St!

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