Dad Bod Rap Pod is experiencing a little bit of redemption this week. A few years ago, right around the time we were starting to interview guests on the show, we had scheduled a chat with a newcomer to the underground rap scene, a cat who rapped equally well in English and Spanish, with an impressive vocabulary and a deft hand with storytelling raps. That dude was Crimeapple, and we were huge fans of his Perfect EP series. We got on the line, but only for a few minutes, when his phone died and we couldn't re-connect. That attempt at an interview has loomed large in our internal mythology as "one that got away." Well, we're happy to say that circumstances have brought us back together, as Crime joins us for a full length chat alongside returning guest Preservation to discuss their first (but likely not last!) collaborative album El Leon. We dig into the album's inception, dissect a few tracks, and discuss the potential pitfalls of traveling in Crime's ancestral home of Colombia. Pres drops knowledge on sampling sounds from the Latin diaspora and a few moments of serendipity that emerged in the making of this special project. DBRP hosts David Ma, Demone Carter and Nate LeBlanc spend the intro segment discussing the state of the recording industry, asking ourselves if it matters whether or not MCs record in the same physical space with their producers.

Big shouts to the homie Cutso for producing our theme song (rapped by Demone) and for being the Plug 4 of the DBRP Cinematic Universe.

This episode was mixed by Taylor Weng and we appreciate her helping us sound a lot better.

DBRP is a rap music podcast that focuses on nuanced conversation, and as such it has a home on Open Mike Eagle's Stony Island Audio podcast network. Anything else would be uncivilized.