In this episode Toby sits down with Tim McIlrath of Rise Against! They chat about Chicago, putting out 10 albums, Fat Records, journaling, Sick of it All, Fireside, Baxter, Rise Against, being a ticket broker, graduating college 20 years later, working with Bill Stevenson, different labels they've been on, different producer sounds, scene politics, their slow build to success, the hard balance of music and family, tour life, the importance of a vocal coach, raising kids, straight edge, heterochromia, touring, traveling & biking.

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