In this episode Toby sits down with Matt Pincus! They chat about Judge, being an angry troubled youth, discovering punk, being in an institution, growing up with Sammy, straight edge saving his life, college, different labels, Some Records, business school, EMI, Diplo, The Weekend, Songs Publishing, selling the company, Trust Records, helping out hardcore bands with publishing, anger as an energy, therapy, hip hop, social media.

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