In this episode Toby sits down with Jules Massey with Mike Judge as cohost, Mike and Jules have not sat face to face in almost 30 years! They chat about coming back after so long, the merchant Marines, law school, NJ, Alex Brown foundation, discovering this music, what was happening in New York, Side By Side breaking up before the 7" release, tour stories, starting Side By Side at 15 , CBGB's, being a dad in a band, being on stage again at this age and regrets.

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