In this episode Toby sits down with comedian Shapel Lacey's dad Kevin McDonald! They chat South Phoenix, having a church mom, being in the streets at 13, skateboarding, his wild family history, juvie, getting a life sentence under 3 strikes law, seeing Shapel for the first time, getting himself and others outta jail discovering a loophole himself, music in jail, Blink 182, going vegan to better his health, regrets, losing his son, his relationship with his wife and finding happiness.

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