Welcome back to another episode of The Sunday’s Coming Podcast!

This week, Caleb and Kaleb sit down with longtime worship leader and pastor John Cassetto, whose journey spans decades of ministry, including 14 years in New England and over a decade at Saddleback Church. In this deeply personal conversation, John opens up about what it means to lead through transitions, wrestle with calling and identity, and rediscover hope when the season feels cold and uncertain.

From raising his own support just to lead worship at a tiny church, to overseeing worship ministries across 21 Saddleback campuses, John shares stories of breakthrough, burnout, and the refining process of letting go. He talks honestly about confusing seasons of change, the temptation to let your job become your identity, and the slow work of God in what he calls the “winter” seasons of life.

If you’ve ever felt unseen, exhausted, or unsure of your next step in ministry—this one’s for you. It’s a powerful reminder that our calling doesn’t end when an assignment does, and that spring always comes.

Because Sunday’s always coming, and we’re all in this together.

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