Welcome back to another episode of The Sunday’s Coming Podcast! In this special Season 3 finale, Caleb & Kaleb reflect on the rhythms of ministry, the danger of burnout, and why summer is the perfect time to zoom out and start making smarter decisions for your future self.

They talk about the brutal grind of the September-to-Christmas run, the importance of designing a ministry calendar before you’re drowning in it, and how to build relationships now—especially with the people you don’t naturally click with—before everything hits the fan. From awkward IT guy dynamics to emotional vacation breakdowns, this episode is full of both laughs and gut-checks for leaders who want to finish well.

They also share exciting details about the upcoming Worship Classic golf tournament, why you should bring your senior pastor or your IT person (or both), and how relational equity will carry your leadership when everything else is shaking.

Because Sunday’s always coming, and we’re all in this together.

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Welcome back to another episode of The Sunday’s Coming Podcast!

This week, Caleb and Kaleb sit down with Jeff Boriss to unpack a brutally honest conversation about burnout, leadership, and why your calendar might be preaching a louder message than your sermons.

Jeff reflects on a season in ministry where creativity ran wild—but so did exhaustion. From all-nighters building set pieces no one asked for, to realizing he was setting his own impossible expectations, Jeff opens up about the emotional toll of ministry hustle and the lie of “excellence” at all costs. The turning point? A moment of clarity: your calendar doesn’t lie—it shows what you actually value.

Whether you’re leading a church, running a team, or just trying to keep your head above water, this episode will challenge how you think about time, boundaries, and what really matters.

Because Sunday’s always coming, and we’re all in this together.

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Welcome back to another episode of The Sunday’s Coming Podcast!

This week, Caleb and Kaleb sit down with longtime friend and church leader Joey Harris to unpack one of the most unexpected success stories in church growth.

Joey shares how his rural Illinois church went from meeting in a high school to owning a college campus—and how they pulled off a multi-site strategy most people said wouldn’t work outside a big city. From leading with vision over gear, to flipping the traditional production mindset on its head, Joey’s journey is full of insight for any leader trying to build something lasting in a place most people overlook.

If you’ve ever wondered whether multi-site ministry can thrive in small towns, this one’s for you.

Because Sunday’s always coming, and we’re all in this together.

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Welcome back to another episode of The Sunday’s Coming Podcast!

This week, Caleb and Kaleb sit down with longtime worship leader and pastor John Cassetto, whose journey spans decades of ministry, including 14 years in New England and over a decade at Saddleback Church. In this deeply personal conversation, John opens up about what it means to lead through transitions, wrestle with calling and identity, and rediscover hope when the season feels cold and uncertain.

From raising his own support just to lead worship at a tiny church, to overseeing worship ministries across 21 Saddleback campuses, John shares stories of breakthrough, burnout, and the refining process of letting go. He talks honestly about confusing seasons of change, the temptation to let your job become your identity, and the slow work of God in what he calls the “winter” seasons of life.

If you’ve ever felt unseen, exhausted, or unsure of your next step in ministry—this one’s for you. It’s a powerful reminder that our calling doesn’t end when an assignment does, and that spring always comes.

Because Sunday’s always coming, and we’re all in this together.

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Welcome back to another episode of The Sunday’s Coming Podcast!

This week, Caleb and Kaleb sit down with the voice behind some of the biggest songs in Christian music history — Andy Chrisman. From selling millions of albums with 4HIM to building worship teams in the local church, Andy shares the highs, the lows, and the real battles that shaped his journey.

They dive into Andy’s rise in the Christian music scene, the hidden pressures that came with fame, the hard moments that almost made him walk away, and the deep passion that keeps him leading and coaching worship teams today.

Andy also shares about his podcast 1 Degree of Andy and his worship leadership retreat The Worship Table, giving an inside look at how he's investing in the next generation of leaders.

Whether you’re leading worship every weekend, dreaming about the road, or just trying to stay faithful in a hidden season, this episode will hit home.

Because Sunday’s always coming, and we’re all in this together.

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Welcome back to another episode of The Sunday’s Coming Podcast!

This week, Caleb and Kaleb welcome back their first ever three-time guest — Mike Goldsworthy.

In this conversation, they talk about what it looks like to build sustainable rhythms for leadership and life, including a surprising morning habit that’s made all the difference for Mike. They also reflect on the importance of staying grounded as ministry and culture continue to shift, and why personal health often matters more than platform success.

Because Sunday’s always coming, and we’re all in this together.

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Welcome back to another episode of The Sunday’s Coming Podcast! This week, Caleb & Kaleb sit down with Spencer DeYoung—CEO of MxU—for a hilarious, honest, and super practical conversation on leadership, burnout, and why Caleb officially canceled Liquid Death.

What starts off with a story about demonic canned water (yes, really) turns into an eye-opening look at how church tech teams can shift from survival mode to building healthy, thriving cultures. Spencer shares his journey from skipping school to serve at church, to leading one of the most influential training platforms for worship and production teams around the world.

They talk about what’s actually causing volunteer burnout, how to lead seasoned team members as a young staffer, and why relationship—not just training—is the key to excellence in ministry. Whether you’re running FOH, leading worship, or just trying to make it to Sunday without losing your mind, this episode is packed with relatable stories and real insight.

Because Sunday’s always coming, and we’re all in this together.

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In Part 2 of this impactful conversation, Brian Taylor continues to unpack his journey from church staff to his current role, mentoring and guiding ministry leaders through challenging seasons. Brian dives into the reality of being in "full-time ministry" beyond just working in a church, redefining what it means to truly serve others regardless of your title or position.

Together with Caleb and Kaleb, Brian addresses the complexities of church hurt, leadership pitfalls, and how church teams can overcome internal struggles by building healthier, more authentic cultures. This episode will inspire leaders at every level to lead through adversity with wisdom, humility, and compassion—turning moments of pain into opportunities for profound growth.

Because Sunday’s always coming, and we’re all in this together.

Show Notes:

• (0:00) Intro: Recapping the conversation and welcoming back Brian Taylor.

• (4:50) Redefining what it means to be in "full-time ministry."

• (12:15) Transitioning from church staff to a new type of ministry—Brian’s role with Slingshot Group.

• (19:30) Lessons from working with senior leadership teams at large, complex church organizations.

• (27:10) Common challenges church teams face in culture, communication, and leadership structure.

• (34:50) Navigating church hurt as a leader: addressing tough situations head-on with empathy and accountability.

• (42:30) How to lead authentically through difficult conversations and cultural shifts.

• (50:20) Creating environments where ministry leaders can thrive instead of merely survive.

• (58:10) Final thoughts and practical advice for leaders currently experiencing conflict, frustration, or burnout.

• (1:06:40) Closing remarks and where to connect with Brian.

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Welcome back to another episode of the Sunday's Coming Podcast!

This week, Brian Taylor joins Caleb and Kaleb to unpack one of ministry’s toughest questions: "Is it church hurt, or is it actually you?"

Together, they dive deep into the patterns that many of us fall into—blaming external circumstances, repeating cycles of conflict, and overlooking personal responsibility. Brian shares candid insights about how we unintentionally sabotage our own growth and relationships by not addressing the internal factors that lead to repeated frustrations and disappointments. This episode challenges listeners to confront uncomfortable truths about themselves, encouraging self-awareness, accountability, and genuine transformation. If you've ever felt stuck in the same patterns, experienced church hurt, or wondered why conflicts seem to follow you, this episode is for you.

Because Sunday’s always coming, and we’re all in this together.

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Welcome back to another episode of The Sunday’s Coming Podcast!

This week, Caleb & Caleb are joined by Dan and Abigail Dominguez, co-lead pastors and church planters of Hope Culture Church in Elgin, IL. Together, they'll dive into the heartbeat of volunteer culture and unpack the practical steps they've taken to build a church community where people genuinely love to serve.

Dan and Abigail share their experiences transitioning from portable setups to permanent spaces, why maintaining a strong volunteer culture is crucial, and how churches can avoid burnout by caring for the people behind the roles. You'll hear why saying "no" for your volunteers is actually holding your church back, how to create excitement around serving—even at 5 AM—and the key to keeping your volunteer teams healthy, motivated, and committed.

They’ll also talk about the unique dynamics of planting a church in Elgin, balancing ministry and marriage, and the impact of fostering authentic community across diverse groups. Whether you're in leadership or serving behind the scenes, this conversation is packed with wisdom and encouragement that every church leader needs to hear.

Because Sunday’s always coming, and we’re all in this together.

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