Patrick and John welcome Giles Hash and Michelle Graham – cohosts of the Beyond the Trope Podcast – to the show to talk about their own podcast and how they balance life of writers and podcasters with their day jobs and families.

About Beyond the Trope: Once upon a time, three friends went crazy and started a podcast about the deep, artistic depths of fiction. Their podcast style is casual, and they love to geek out about the things they love! They’re creators who believe that pop culture (and especially mass-market writing) has something for everyone, not just “those nerds.” Since that bout of poor judgement in 2013, they’ve been releasing weekly episodes on all sorts of topics, from fiction writing and author interviews to covering conventions and cosplay basics.

This week’s picks:

* Michelle: Animal Farm

* Giles: Red Dead Redemption 2

* John: Kings of the Wyld by Nicholas Eames

* Patrick: The Bill Murray Stories: Life lessons learned from a Mythical Man

* Bonus Pick: The Try Channel (YouTube)

Links:

* Beyond the Trope on Twitter

* Michelle Graham on Twitter

* Giles Hash on Twitter

* John Anealio on Twitter

* Patrick Hester on Twitter

* The Functional Nerds Patreon Page

* Patrick’s Book: Into the Fire (available everywhere)

© 2019 Patrick Hester and John Anealio

This podcast contains original music by John Anealio.