Following the #CarolinaPanthers is really just going from trade rumors to grievances all day long. Demetri and Lauren discuss just how bad the defense has gotten.

02:45 Is Chuba Hubbard going to be traded?

05:08 What did #DaveCanales say about Chuba?

09:05 How do you use Chuba and Brooks?

10:37 Can you get a 2nd for Johnson?

13:51 Reality vs Dave Tepper

15:46 The #panthers need more than offense

17:25 Jaycee Horn wants the defense to be better

19:52 Last 2 games started exact same way

25:00 Snipers at BOA