It’s become increasingly apparent that large employers are rapidly becoming the most disruptive force in American healthcare today. Think Amazon, Berkshire Hathaway, JP Morgan Chase, Apple, Google, Microsoft, Comcast, CVS Health, Walgreens, Walmart, and so on…

The reasons are readily apparent:

This episode is as much about healthcare consumerism as it is about employee health – tying in nicely to this season’s earlier podcast episodes with Dr. Robert Pearl, Kevan Mabbutt and Dr. Harold Paz.

Our guest this week – Marcus Osborne, a Harvard Business School alum – is the VP of Health & Wellness Transformation at Walmart. He has years of experience in Walmart’s previous healthcare delivery initiatives – their clinics, pharmaceutical products & pricing, and collaborative efforts with Humana around Medicare part D.

Marcus is a no-nonsense, results-oriented, highly accomplished businessman who is on a mission to build a new and better healthcare system. He makes it abundantly clear why this is critical to Walmart as an employer, and as a retailer serving over 85% of the American public. He does not believe the current healthcare system can be fixed. He does believe that Walmart’s credo to deliver affordable products & services, its capabilities, its size and reach, make it well positioned to create a new healthcare system.

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While some may find Marcus’ responses a bit in-your-face, I actually found his honesty & directness to be refreshing. At times during the interview, I did find myself feeling defensive – in large part because I am privileged to witness daily the amazing life-saving and life-enhancing work accomplished within the current healthcare system – by bright, passionate and intensely committed individuals, teams and organizations. However, I also found myself aligned with Marcus’ strategic assessment and in complete agreement with his consumer-centric thinking.

During the course of our conversation, it became clear to me that some of the most innovative and disruptive changes coming to healthcare may not be technologic. The understanding I’ve arrived at, after dozens of conversations like this one, is that our primary purpose might not be to digitize healthcare, but instead, to humanize it.