In this conversation, Philip talks with Giorgos Kallis, author of Limits and The Case for Degrowth. The two take on the inherent contradictions of financial and social world built on infinite growth against the reality of a natural world that can’t support this notion. They take on the meaning of limits and what degrowth offers toward a viable future(s)

The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.

Philip’s Drop: We Do Thus “Til We Free Us – Mariame Kaba

Giorgos’s Drop: Caetano Veloso – “Um Indio”

The Dispossessed – Ursula K Le Guin

Special Guest: Giorgos Kallis.