I've heard Gabe described as my rival, competitor, and colleague, so I figured its about time to have him on the show so we can instead call each other friends. We talk podcasting, evolving purpose, and how to provide a service to a community.

Find more of Gabe on Twitter using the handle @BGDesignLab

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This episode was edited by Rob Conley of Ginger Cat Productions.