Our final Queen is the silent one, the thorny rose, the Queen of the Goats.  Ruling over the final decan of Sagittarius and the first two decans of Capricorn, the Queen of Pentacles or Disks offers silence, the certainty of death, and the inevitability of life's renewal.  The watery part of earth, she binds matter into new forms of Change and Work. She is tireless and prolific, and in her darkness light is born.

In our conversation we discuss: the descent and climb of the goat, gestation, sacrifice, and resurrection, mutable fire, cardinal earth, burial and rebirth of light,  Temperance/Art, the Devil, alchemical marriage , binding tendrils and vines taking root, Persephone the Underworld Queen, cause of growth and death,  Saturn/Jupiter polarities, deserts/oases, domination vs constructive work, hexagram 31 ("Hsien,"  mutual influence), the pineapple as hospitality and wealth, the cult of Dionysus, Queen Argaea of the Fay, Ananke, Chronos, and Phanes lightbringer, rabbits, markhour goat, the 3D hexagram in the Cube of Matter, the 13 phases of the moon, and roses.

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