In this conversation, Philip talks to Jessie Daniels, the author of White Lies and the new book Nice White Ladies: The Truth about White Supremacy, Our Role in It, and How We Can Help Dismantle It. Over the course of the show they wrestle with the historical legacy of white supremacy, gender and its present day manifestation via white feminism, Karen’s and more.

The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.

Philip’s Drop: What We Do In the Shadows

Jessie’s Drop: We’re Here

Nicole Sealey “Legendary (1)”

Special Guest: Jessie Daniels.