George Saunders is the #1 New York Times bestselling author of ten books, including Lincoln in the Bardo, which won the Man Booker Prize; Congratulations, by the way; Tenth of December, a finalist for the National Book Award; The Braindead Megaphone; and the critically acclaimed short story collections CivilWarLand in Bad Decline, Pastoralia, and In Persuasion Nation. He teaches in the creative writing program at Syracuse University.

Recommended Reading:

Opening Heaven’s Door by Patricia Pearson

Seven Lessons in Physics by Carlo Rovelli

Seven and a Half Lessons on the Brain by Lisa Feldman Barrett

Thank you to Betterhelp for sponsoring this episode. Save 10% off your first month at betterhelp.com/maris.

Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices