In this special episode of the Conditional Release Program, Jack interviews Rob Anderson, a victim of child sexual abuse in an insttitutional setting.

This one comes with a huge trigger warning. It's a tough listen.

A student at Trinity Grammar School, Rob suffered pain and trauma that would only get worse led by a broken criminal justice system and a school that spent over a million dollars in legal costs in a stubborn and cruel refusal to accept responsibility. 

In the news we look at cooker takes on Justin Bieber's Ramsay Hunt syndrome and the Jan 6 hearings that are not going too well for the Trumpster.

The interview is full on but it's an important listen. Take care and remember that if any of the content in today’s program raises any issues for you, please contact Lifeline on 13 11 14 or Beyond Blue 1300 22 3646.