Dr. Berger opens this week's episode by discussing how he and his family tested positive for COVID-19 despite practicing safety protocols. They are on the mend, but feeling far from well. Both hosts emphasize the importance of listening to what medical experts are telling us all about the holidays: take no unnecessary chances with exposure to the virus.

Returning to the topic of not taking things personally, Allen and Thom recognize their usual common ground but also discover some possible differences in how they view and approach this essential topic. One take away from the episode is that even when we have differences, we don’t have to approach those conversations as debate but can be more what Thom calls “conversations to convey rather than to convince.”

Next week: More on achieving personal freedom by letting go of expectations and unenforceable rules.