The conversation begins this week with Thom discussing his experience with the publication of his book, Embracing Fear - shortly after the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 - and drawing comparisons to the feelings surrounding this week's attack on the Capitol in Washington, DC.

Allen, Thom and Patrick (Podcast Producer) have a multi-faceted and admittedly chaotic conversation congruent with the emotional aftermath of the very frightening events we have all just witnessed. Included in this conversation are elements of how our understanding of human psychology and mental health can help us make some sense of things, how there is an important difference between healthy and neurotic fear and that when we tune into healthy fear, we can find direction for how best to respond, individually, as a community and hopefully as a nation. There is an emphasis throughout the sometimes pin-ball conversation on focusing on how we, as individuals, can work to remain grounded in times of crisis. As with previous podcasts, we’ve decided to continue exploring this topic next week.