The first podcast I did with Larry Krohn was years ago, and it sparked a lot of debate around the e-collar.

Since then, Larry has completed my Training Without Conflict™ school, and through many conversations we’ve come to realize how much common ground we share. Today, we agree on nearly everything and hold a strong respect for one another.

We’ve wanted to do a second podcast for quite some time, and our schedules finally aligned. The result is a 4+ hour conversation covering a wide range of dog training topics.

This one isn’t about conflict, it’s about depth, clarity, and experience.