My conversation today is with Marlena Graves about her book "The Way Up is Down: Becoming Yourself by Forgetting Yourself". (Like me, Marlena is originally from Puerto Rico and grew up in Pennsylvania. Her Spanish is way better though.) She's a professor, an activist, has worked in ministry, and authored a number of books. Now working on her PhD. at Bowling Green University in Ohio. 

Stop by the extras page to get all the show notes and links HERE: https://www.patreon.com/posts/39670162 .

(patreon.com/sparkmymuse | Episode 181)

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