This week, we welcome Mart Green, the founder and CEO of Mardel Christian & Education and of Every Tribe Every Nation, and the Ministry Investment Officer for the Hobby Lobby family of companies founded by his father, David Green. Mart opens up about a pivotal trip he took to Guatemala that showed him the power of God’s love in a highly personal way that he never really had grasped before, and how life’s wounds became a pathway for him toward healing and deeper connection with God and others.

Later in the episode, we’ll hear from Clarissa and Fiona Moll, a mother/daughter duo navigating the complexities of grief after the unexpected loss of husband and father, Rob. Facing life as a single mother, Clarissa—now a bereavement advocate and author—shares how she and Fiona worked toward a new normal without Rob by their sides. Together, they share how they deal with the pain of loss, and the small steps they’ve taken toward healing.

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Past interview: Joni Eareckson Tada

Upcoming interview: Ellen Skrmetti

Mart Green

Hobby Lobby 

Mardel Christian & Education

Learning To Be Loved

Clarissa and Fiona Moll

Rob Moll

Christianity Today's The Bulletin Podcast

Jeremiah 29:11 NIV

Psalm 118:17 NIV

Jesus Calling for Kids

Hurt Help Hope

Other Jesus Calling interviews about grief 

Interview Quotes:

“Sometimes I'd go back and tell where God did something amazing in my life, and just being able to share that, I got closer to the Lord because I remembered it.” - Mart Green 

“As I look back on my life, the broken spots, the wounds that I have had, not understanding the emotions of my family, having one of my best friends die of COVID-19, you know, the suffering; those are times that are painful and they hurt, but they are also times that we get closer to the Lord.” - Mart Green

“If you allow God to heal you of that deep wound, then God will use you and bring others alongside you...God is there with us. He never leaves us. He helps us go through this.” - Mart Green 

“Overnight, I became a widow with four children. I was faced with learning to parent alone, to become a breadwinner all on my own. Meanwhile, I was trying to shoulder my own shock and grief as I learned to live with this gaping hole that had entered my life through his death.” - Clarissa Moll 

“In those moments when I felt like I was most alone, God gave me the grace to see that He had been sufficient for me all along.” - Clarissa Moll

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Peace for Everyday Life:     https://bit.ly/3zzwFoj 

Peace in Uncertain Times:     https://bit.ly/3cHfB6u 

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The beloved historical drama television series The Chosen has burst onto the scene with its real, raw, and accurate depiction of the life of Jesus. As the first multi-season series about the life and ministry of Jesus, the show focuses on the people who met and followed Him, giving viewers a personal perspective through the eyes of those who knew Him—bringing out an emotional, personal, and intimate side of the life of Christ.

This week, we’re joined by the creative mind who brought The Chosen to life, Dallas Jenkins. Accompanying him are actors and actresses Elizabeth Tabish, Paras Patel, Shahar Isaac, Abe Bueno-Jallad, and Jonathan Roumie—who each share what it means to them to be able to portray these iconic characters, and how they work together as a team to lift each other up in telling this important story.

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Past interview: Priscilla Shirer

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The Chosen 

Dallas Jenkins

Elizabeth Tabish

Paras Patel

Shahar Isaac

Abe Bueno-Jallad

Jonathan Roumie

5&2 Studios

The Best Christmas Pageant Ever

www.thechosen.tv

Interview Quotes:

“I really did say to myself, and to God, ‘Okay, I'm willing to give up [my career]. I truly care more about being in Your will and doing what You want me to do than I care about achieving anything or getting certain affirmation.’” - Dallas Jenkins

“My hope is that I'm making the best show [through The Chosen] I can that honors God and accurately captures the character and intentions of Jesus in the Gospels.” - Dallas Jenkins

“If you look at the Gospels, there are women at really pivotal moments of Jesus's ministry.” - Elizabeth Tabish

“I knew the only thing that I had left to do—which I really hadn't done—was to get on my knees and completely and wholly surrender myself, my career, and my circumstances to God.” - Jonathan Roumie 

“Playing Jesus, there's a reason that God put me in this role and not somebody else. And so I had to recognize that and take up that mantle and know that I was where I was meant to be.” - Jonathan Roumie

“One thing that I take away from [the biblical life of] James is the conviction, and the will that you have to have to stand by your convictions. For me, taking on the character has deepened my understanding of what it truly means to be convinced about what you believe.” - Abe Bueno-Jallad 

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Peace for Everyday Life:     https://bit.ly/3zzwFoj 

Peace in Uncertain Times:     https://bit.ly/3cHfB6u 

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This week, we talk with two highly creative individuals who have been able to bring positive, uplifting, and spiritually striking stories to the world through the mediums of television, film, and animation. 

Nika King is an actor and producer who is best known for her comedic abilities and her breakout role as Leslie on the HBO series Euphoria. King honestly shares about her early life watching family members battle addiction, and how they ultimately overcame through faith and determination—which had a great impact on the direction Nika’s life would take as an actress. She also lets us in behind the scenes to her newest film role in Sound of Hope: The Story of Possum Trot.

Chris Wall is the executive producer and showrunner on The Wingfeather Saga animated series, and co-founder of Shining Isle Productions. Chris shares his early love of storytelling and how he chased his dreams through animated children’s stories, including directing shows for the popular children’s animated series VeggieTales. 

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Past interview: Stephanie Quayle

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Nika King 

HBO series Euphoria

Sound of Hope: The Story of Possum Trot

First Lady Donna Martin and Bishop W.S. Martin

www.nikaking.com

Chris Wall

The Wingfeather Saga 

VeggieTales

Cray supercomputers

Little House on the Prairie

Raiders of the Lost Ark

The Little Mermaid

Oral Roberts University in Tulsa 

Max Lucado

You Are Special

“The Search for Samson’s Hairbrush”

Andrew Peterson

The Chronicles of Narnia

www.shiningisleproductions.com

www.wingfeathersaga.com

Interview Quotes:

“I just realized that God was always directing my life. The Holy Spirit was always guiding me, preparing me for something greater.” - Nika King

“When I am performing, that's what the human experience is. It's allowing oneself to be vulnerable, but also know that that's not a weakness.” - Nika King  

“The world is hurting right now. We have to show them that God is still on the throne and He's still moving. No matter what you're going through in life, it's going to get better.” - Nika King  

“You have to face the unknown. What's next? Will there be another creative idea ever? Will I ever get to be involved in something like this ever again? And just kind of sitting back and saying, ‘All right, God, you have led this journey. What's next?’” - Chris Wall 

“I think that endless discovery, curiosity, is something that I believe God and His Holy Spirit does in us if we're willing to patiently listen. I think when we're patient to listen to His leading, we can go to places that are really beautiful and change the world. And I believe stories can really do that.” - Chris Wall 

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Peace for Everyday Life:     https://bit.ly/3zzwFoj 

Peace in Uncertain Times:     https://bit.ly/3cHfB6u 

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On this episode of Jesus Listens: Stories of Prayer, we’ll hear from author Marie Chapian, who shares about her practice of quiet prayer, and how we can go to that still, peaceful place in the presence of God to keep the chaos of the world from taking us over. 

Guest’s Links
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Twitter: @mariechapian

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This week, we’ll hear from BeBe Winans, a celebrated figure in gospel and R&B music from the renowned Winans family, known for their deep-rooted musical legacy. Raised in a household steeped in gospel traditions and surrounded by the influences of Motown, Bebe experienced some of the ups and downs of the music scene as he and his sister, CeCe Winans, ultimately rose to fame as a beloved singing duo. 

Later in the episode, we’ll hear from Tasha Cobbs Leonard, a powerful worship leader, pastor, and entrepreneur. Raised in a faith-filled family, Tasha was encouraged by her father, a pastor, to embrace her gifts. A “divine setup” led to her first album, and she went on to inspire millions with songs like "Break Every Chain," which grew from her own battle with depression.

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Past interview: Gloria Gaynor

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Jesus Calling commemorative edition

BeBe Winans

CeCe Winans

Motown

Mighty Clouds of Joy

Shirley Caesar 

Andraé Crouch 

Smokey Robinson

Stevie Wonder

Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker

The PTL Club

Bebe and CeCe

Keith Thomas

“Father In Heaven [Right Now]”

Luke 12:48 NIV

Tasha Cobbs Leonard

“Break Every Chain”

Naomi Raine

Luke 14:23 NIV

www.tashacobbsleonard.com

Do It Anyway

Interview Quotes:

“Your gift will make room. What you have to go through is okay. It does work out if you believe and continue to have faith in what God has called you to do.” - BeBe Winans 

“I'm amazed at the doors that God opens. I find myself in places that I never dreamed of and working with people I never thought I would.” - BeBe Winans

“There's such a roller coaster of emotions that we are blessed with because of what God has done through us, through music. It really never gets old to hear what our music has done for others.” - BeBe Winans

“We live in a world where we are consumed with, ‘Hey, this is the beginning, and this is the end.’ A lot of people don't really embrace the process in the middle. But I think in the process is when we gain all of the knowledge, all of the wisdom that we need in order to be great stewards of what God entrusted us with.” - Tasha Cobbs Leonard

“I believe it's always intentional on God's part to place people in your life who see things in you that you may not see in that season.” - Tasha Cobbs Leonard

“Though many days I was discouraged and I didn't know what I was doing, I know that God was with me every step of the way.” - Tasha Cobbs Leonard

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Peace for Everyday Life:     https://bit.ly/3zzwFoj 

Peace in Uncertain Times:     https://bit.ly/3cHfB6u 

What’s Good?     https://bit.ly/3vc2cKj 

Enneagram:     https://bit.ly/3hzRCCY 

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This week, we’ll hear from Dr. Chris Rappazini—a professor of leadership and former pastor—as he shares a deeply personal story through the lens of grief and recovery. Chris reveals how his father's death propelled his brother into a downward spiral of addiction and estrangement. Yet, amidst the chaos, a narrative of hope and forgiveness emerges, highlighting the profound realization that our past does not define our future.

Later in the episode, we’ll hear from author, editor, and speaker Lisa-Jo Baker. She discusses her awakening to the cycle of anger she risked repeating from her father if she continued to live on autopilot. Through her journey of healing and reconciling with her father, Lisa-Jo illustrates how we can all seek reconciliation and live life to the fullest.

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Past interview: Rosie Rivera

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Jesus Calling commemorative edition

Dr. Chris Rappazini

Anderson University

www.faithfulstepsforward.com

Moving Forward After Messing Up

Lisa-Jo Baker

Apartheid

Zululand in South Africa

Dr. Christiaan Barnard

www.lisajobaker.com

It Wasn't Roaring, It Was Weeping

Interview Quotes:

“God is in the business of fixing broken relationships, and that's what He's been doing in our relationship for the last several years.” - Dr. Chris Rappazini  

“For us to be able to ask forgiveness from those that we've hurt the most, I mean, it's hard to do. And I think the only way you can do it is somehow with the grace of God, with the power and the strength of the Holy Spirit.” - Dr. Chris Rappazini  

“If we're going to have a future that God wants for us, we have to keep our eyes moving forward. We have to keep our eyes on what we want that relationship to look like, not what it has looked like in the past.” - Dr. Chris Rappazini  

“Oftentimes, the hardest person to get forgiveness from is ourselves. The hardest person to forgive is the person that we see in the mirror every morning, because we feel so guilty and we feel so shameful for what we've done and how we've hurt people.” - Dr. Chris Rappazini 

“The beauty of Jesus that I've discovered is that, as we know, God is not limited by time. This is what's so powerful about Him.” - Lisa-Jo Baker 

“I needed to stop and pull off onto the side of the road and figure out the story I had inherited, because I was really determined to write a new one.” Lisa-Jo Baker 

“I think for family trees to heal, we have to be willing to lay down our defenses. It doesn't happen all at once. It happens slowly over years between generations, because we have a God who is so adamant, passionate about forgiveness, about reconciliation, about redeeming generations, who wrote a new plot line out of an old bloodline.” - Lisa-Jo Baker

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Peace for Everyday Life:     https://bit.ly/3zzwFoj 

Peace in Uncertain Times:     https://bit.ly/3cHfB6u 

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This week, we’ll hear from Davey Blackburn, founder of Nothing Is Wasted Ministries, who shares his heart-wrenching story of love, loss, and finding life again after profound pain. After planting a new church, Davey faced unimaginable tragedy when his wife, Amanda, and their unborn child were killed in a home invasion. Through his journey, he discovers a path forward—one that blends sorrow with a powerful hope, reminding us that even in our darkest moments, truly, nothing is wasted.

Later in the episode, we’ll hear from Allyson Golden, an author, speaker, and pediatric nurse. From bringing hope into the difficult moments she faces as a nurse, to reflecting God’s love on social media, Allyson actively seeks to be a light to those who are trying to overcome darkness.

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Past interview: Amy Downs

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Davey Blackburn

Nothing Is Wasted Ministries

Elevation Worship

“Nothing Is Wasted” by Elevation Worship

Romans 8:28 NIV

Romans 12:19-21 NIV

www.nothingiswasted.com

Nothing Is Wasted: A True Story of Hope, Forgiveness, and Finding Purpose in Pain

Other Jesus Calling interviews about coping with grief

Other Jesus Calling interviews about healing

Other Jesus Calling interviews about wrestling with God

Allyson Golden

pediatric nurse

Aloha Church

San Diego Prayer House

www.wordsaregolden.com

Arise and Shine: How to Be the Light That Ignites Hope in a Dark World

Other Jesus Calling interviews about loneliness 

Interview Quotes:

“It feels like the bottom had just dropped out and we're going, ‘How in the world, God, is this at all working for good?’” - Davey Blackburn

“God reached into that hospital room in the darkest moment of our lives, and filled it with His presence and whispered to our souls.” - Davey Blackburn

“When we wrestle with God, we begin to realize how big God is, how sovereign God is, and how good God is.” - Davey Blackburn

“It's so hard at times to find the light or have hope. It's really easy to ask the Lord, ‘Where is Your light? You say You're the light of the world, but why am I still seeing all these hard and dark things?’” - Allyson Golden 

“As a nurse, prayer plays a huge part in my life. I am praying before and on every shift, asking for strength, asking for grace. It makes me feel connected to the Lord and like I'm not alone.” - Allyson Golden 

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Peace for Everyday Life:     https://bit.ly/3zzwFoj 

Peace in Uncertain Times:     https://bit.ly/3cHfB6u 

What’s Good?     https://bit.ly/3vc2cKj 

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This week, we’ll hear from Alyssa Bethke, who’s a mom of three, a blogger, YouTuber, and co-host of the Real Life Podcast with her husband, Jeff. Alyssa reflects on the overwhelming pressures women face to excel in every area of life, and the need for honesty and grace toward ourselves, others, and God about our struggles.

Later in the episode, we’ll hear from author and content creator Chelsea Damon, who takes a closer look at the inner workings of marriage. She offers valuable insights into communication, conflict resolution, and seeking the power of grace for couples, with practical advice to keep their relationships thriving. 

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Past interview: Christa Hardin 

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Real Life Podcast 

Psalms

www.jeffandalyssa.com

When Doing It All Is Undoing You

Chelsea Damon

Living the Sweet Wife

Liberty University

Jesus Calling blog post about prayer in marriage

www.chelseadamon.com 

I Thought This Would Make Me Happy

Interview Quotes:

“I came to this place of feeling completely undone. It wasn't that I needed to find the solution or that the outcome was the answer, but it really was meeting God in those moments. How do I bring my real life to Him? How do I really work through those disappointments with God? How do I still have hope in my life that doesn't look the way I want?” - Alyssa Bethke

“I think that as a church, we need to know how to lament, because this is such a part of being human.” - Alyssa Bethke

“First and foremost, we are not what we do. We are children of God, and we have to learn to rest and to be and to know that our value is not based on our performance, but our value is based on that we're image bearers of God.” - Alyssa Bethke 

“He has this way of increasing our capacity, increasing time, helping us get the things done that we need to get done. But learning to do it out of a place of rest and peace instead of this anxious, stressful spirit. And we can do that when we invite Him into it.” - Alyssa Bethke 

“Eventually, we found ways to manage our disagreements in loving and respectful ways that gave each other the benefit of the doubt. And we couldn't have done that without looking at how much grace we've been given by Jesus Christ and then learning how to mirror that same grace in our lives with each other.” - Chelsea Damon

“I wholeheartedly believe that if you really want to see change in your marriage, you need to be willing to be the first one to step up and make a change.” - Chelsea Damon 

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Peace in Uncertain Times:     https://bit.ly/3cHfB6u 

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As we enter the season of Advent and Christmas, we’re bound to be overwhelmed by the hustle and bustle. The list of dishes to prepare, gifts to buy and wrap, cards to send, and parties to attend feels never-ending… which often results in the real reason for the season getting pushed aside. But when we set time aside to properly prepare our hearts to honor the birth of Jesus, the experience of Christmas can take on a whole new meaning—becoming a season of hope, rest, and renewal. 

For this special holiday bonus episode, we’re joined by Lanier Ivester, a writer and homemaker who has taken time-honored holiday traditions and shaped and molded them to fit her family—keeping restful intentionality at the center of it all. Lanier shares how to let go of what doesn’t serve your soul, how to embrace the imperfection that makes gathering with our communities more authentic and real, and how to find glimmers of joy when you’re celebrating Christmas with a grieving heart. 

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Lanier Ivester’s website

Glad & Golden Hours by Lanier Ivester 

Lanier Ivester’s Facebook

Lanier Ivester’s Instagram

Lanier Ivester’s Twitter

Interview Quotes

“We can burden ourselves even with wanting to bring intention into the holiday season. But the fact is that very turning of our hearts towards intention is itself intention. And that's honoring to God.” - Lanier Ivester 

“In Christ, we can serve and prepare for the holidays and love our people and do all the things from a place of unconditional love. And that is a resting place. We don't have to do it all. We can step in, out of the wind of our culture, and just take refuge under His wings and really ask Him for wisdom.” - Lanier Ivester 

“Scientists will tell you that taste and scent really create these pathways in our brain. They are what's known as memory bridges that can connect us to a place and a people and a time really effortlessly. And it's for that reason I've subconsciously carried forward a lot of my favorite meals and recipes from my childhood and brought them into my celebrations to this day with my husband and our friends.” - Lanier Ivester 

“It's definitely a combination of anticipation and savoring. We need both, and there's so little room in our culture for either one of those.” - Lanier Ivester 

“The reality is, many times the holiday season can be extremely difficult. Whatever we're walking through—whether it's grief, whether it's loss, whether it's deferred hopes or unanswered prayers, or things just not being the way that we want them to be—the holidays really amp that up, because it's easy for expectations of what a happy holiday is supposed to look like to slam up against our reality and make us feel a sense of lack in the light of what seems to be going on in the world around us.” - Lanier Ivester

“Traditions serve our relationships. The traditions that we love are a container for our relationships—they were not the thing. The people are the thing, and the traditions hold the people.” - Lanier Ivester 

“We serve a God who is in the details of our lives, and it's very easy to overlook that or think something is not large enough or important enough for His notice. But when we sit down with our plans for our holidays, our plans for our gatherings, and invite Him first before we invite anyone else into this space—asking Him to create a welcoming atmosphere—I think that that brings our holidays into a much more sacred space.” - Lanier Ivester

“Advent makes space for our grief. It gives us freedom to name our sorrows, our longings, our yearnings to the One who will set them right, ultimately. But the flip side of that is if Advent makes space for our grief, Christmas makes space for our joy.” - Lanier Ivester

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This week, we’re joined by Demi-Leigh Tebow, a South African native, former Miss Universe, and wife of NFL superstar Tim Tebow. Demi-Leigh is a passionate advocate for individuals with special needs and disabilities. She discusses how her faith helped her overcome personal challenges, including a life-altering carjacking, and how it now fuels her mission to empower women through her Unbreakable Women’s Workshop.

Later in the episode, we’ll hear from Kendall Vanderslice, a baker, writer, and teacher, who takes us on a profound dive into the practice of bread making. Kendall shares how she discovered baking as her calling, explores the rich symbolism of food in scripture, and reveals how the kitchen can become a sacred place for encountering God.

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Jesus Listens

Past interview: Molly Stillman

Upcoming interview: Alyssa Bethke

Jesus Calling commemorative edition 

Jesus Calling app

Demi-Leigh Tebow

Tim Tebow

Unbreakable Conference

A Crown That Lasts

cerebellar agenesis

The Tim Tebow Foundation

Night to Shine

Miss Universe

human trafficking

1 Corinthians 9:25 NIV

www.demitebow.com

Kendall Vanderslice

Genesis 1 and 2 NIV

Genesis 3 NIV

www.kendallvanderslice.com

Bake & Pray: Liturgies & Recipes for Baking Bread as a Spiritual Practice

Interview Quotes:

“I eventually realized that I had a choice to make. I could choose to question God for the rest of my life, or I could choose to trust Him for the rest of my life. I knew choosing to trust Him also meant making peace with knowing that I was not going to have all of the answers, and that that was going to be okay.” - Demi-Leigh Tebow

“I don't like being interrupted. I don't like being taken off the course of my day. I don't like stopping to help somebody else in need. Right? That's uncomfortable. Well, I think that there can be so much blessing in obedience in those moments where we are willing to be interrupted for the sake of somebody else.” - Demi-Leigh Tebow 

“I had to learn that if I truly wanted to have real confidence in my identity, I had to root my confidence in something other than myself. Something that is fixed. Something that is never changing. Something that is always trustworthy and something that is bigger than myself.” - Demi-Leigh Tebow 

“My diamond and pearl crown did not last. But do you know what will last? The impact that I get to have with that crown, living out my God-given purpose, maybe using that crown as a vessel.” - Demi-Leigh Tebow

“I am thankful for my plans that have been ruined. I am thankful for the wrenches that have been thrown in my plans. Because His plans have been better and bigger and more perfect for me every single time.” - Demi-Leigh Tebow 

“It is such a joy to get to share what I have learned through the process of baking with others so that they can meet God in the kitchen with dough between their fingers.” - Kendall Vanderslice

“The simplicity of baking itself is, I think, a really holy calling.” - Kendall Vanderslice 

“We have this picture of death and resurrection all woven into the process of baking bread. I think it is no small matter that Jesus then chose bread as the central element of the communion table.” - Kendall Vanderslice

“We are invited to rest, not as a reward for what we've gotten done, but as a means of delighting in God's creation and being reminded that we were created to take care of and delight in this delicious and beautiful world.” - Kendall Vanderslice 

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Enjoy watching these additional videos from Jesus Calling YouTube channel!

Audio Episodes:     https://bit.ly/3zvjbK7 

Bonus Podcasts:     https://bit.ly/3vfLlGw 

Jesus Listens: Stories of Prayer:  https://bit.ly/3Sd0a6C 

Peace for Everyday Life:     https://bit.ly/3zzwFoj 

Peace in Uncertain Times:     https://bit.ly/3cHfB6u 

What’s Good?     https://bit.ly/3vc2cKj 

Enneagram:     https://bit.ly/3hzRCCY 

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