How should we deal with the fact that we have to read the lines of a poem in order, one after another—or, for that matter, that we have to live our days one after the other? That's some of what comes up in my conversation with Evan Kindley about Kenneth Koch and his funny, didactic, and haunting poem "One Train May Hide Another."

Evan is an associate editor at the Chronicle Review. He is the author of two books: Questionnaire (Bloomsbury, 2016) and Poet-Critics and the Administration of Culture (Harvard UP, 2017).  With Kara Wittman, he is the co-editor of The Cambridge Companion to the Essay (Cambridge UP, 2022). He is currently writing a "group biography" of the New York School Poets (of which Koch, along with previous podcast subjects Frank O'Hara, James Schuyler, and John Ashbery, is a crucial member), which is under contract with Knopf, and his essays can be found in such publications as The New Republic, The Nation, The New York Review of Books, and n+1. You can follow Evan on Twitter.

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